Through seeking to remunerate cultural knowledge holders for their work, Lagi-Maama want Indigenous knowledge holders and makers to be valued equitably in the ways that other consultants are. “From the first time that we connected in 2016 at Tāmaki Paenga Hira to the work that we are doing now with Lagi-Maama in 2023, there has been an incredible shift. The responsibility now is to ensure that our holders of knowledge continue to be remunerated appropriately but also respectfully - from safeguarding their IP and knowledge heard vs unheard, which means knowledge only for ‘their’ own minds and hearts.”